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Charaka ‘Indriya-present scenario

Rationality of Charaka ‘Indriya-sthana’ at present scenario Dr. K. Shiva Rama Prasad, at http://www.technoayurveda.com/ Keynote address delivered at CAME on Rationale of Indriyasthan in Modern era on 25-04-2014 at MHACH&RC

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To where Ayurveda is driven

For few months what is happen is quite disgusting in Ayurveda field. The first News is very encouraging and it says the appreciation of Ayurveda research at International level and award for it. The subsequent news is from Madhyapradesh Government taking a decision towards stopping the Emergency Medical practice of Ayurvedist and insisting for sincere Ayurveda practice. With in two days another News release from Maharsatra Government to start a 1 year Modern Pharmacology Course for all AYUSH graduates and offering them the Modern Medical Practitioner position. My doubt is why the Health policy of each state is differing? Are the people in India are ethnically or geographically different or politically play items? Is this conversion in to the modern medicine is boon or curse to the Ayurveda faculty?

Mean while the AYUSH decision (Gazette issued) to reduce the teachers to 30 per 50 student intake is ridicules. The same AYUSH for past few years stopped the permission to many Ayurveda colleges. Is this decision is an influence act under some body? Or is it really a good idea to increase the values of Ayurveda? When 47 teachers could not do the justice, how come 30 will do in future? Apart from the instruction of (9) Allopathic Doctors to appoint as part time teachers to teach the allopathic subject is for enhancing the Ayurveda standard or to deteriorate is well known to the officials. Is it a rehabilitating program for the allopathic doctors? Or really are there any hidden agenda?

When we see this entire scenario – are we not puzzled? What do you say?

Third Alternative

My problem with your problem is our problem

The way we look in to the problem may give a specific direction of solution. The same problem may be seen in another angle offer another solution. But when it is examined form our attitude certainly offers a better resolution. In our Ayurveda Science we face lots of problems either from Board, Governance, Administration, Faculty, Students or Society. It is very much necessary to look from the “Third Alternative” angle to find a long term solution.

It is an understanding that an organization with out any controversies in the functionality disappears soon from the market. Ayurveda has many more problems for its survival in the present day situations. The negative statement or sentence is not anticipated by any institutions. They feel it as developmental inhibitors. But the fact is these negations offer a better way to reach the Goal. From our PG dept of DGM Ayurvedic Medical College, Gadag, always some or other compliant or requests are flooding to Principal. When explanation is called for, I said as we are working you are getting the feedback. It is the time to resolute and plans for the best.

 

At present in any Ayurveda institute we have Patient, Student, Administration and the Governing bodies as the pillars. Why not the compromised understanding systematic development is planned as Third alternative? All have problems – students say, no quality education is offered, institutions say, the funding is insufficient, Teachers say, no proper remunerations, Governance say, no norms are followed and ultimately the consumer patient on whom the entire system is dependent say, no confidence is bought from this system. Let the all groups sit together and make a synergistic direction of third alternative.

Falsification in Ayurveda

Now a day the entire AYUSH is against the malpractices made by Ayurvedic Medical College for their sustenance. Even though AYUSH is serious, managements are following different methods to exhibit their faculties on muster, maintain the Hospital records and inputs. The different methods include generating visiting faculty or on paper faculty. The student ratio of beds as per the CCIM is 1:3. As many Ayurveda colleges are far away from the community residences or could not generate the faith (especially in emergencies), the patients are deviating to the other opportunities to help themselves. To run the show is the only alternative to get the permissions for successive academic year. So, the managements are using alternative methods instead of locating the problem and solving in alternative systems. One of such method is – “Falsification Method”.

Fabrication, Falsification, Plagiarism, or other practices that seriously deviate from those that are commonly accepted in the community for proposing, conducting, or reporting for any permissions or statements or study. The “honest” error or difference in expression is caught by the authorities of permission.

What is Falsification?

  • Alteration of data collected in the maintenance of hospital records, purchase records
  • Omission/deletion/suppression of conflicting data without justification
  • Back-dating in patient records to fit within the timeline as treatment provided
  • Changing a patients age, address and disease in hospital data records

All these are happening not only in Ayurvedic Colleges even in the other systems also. There were so many News items in relation to this Falsification in all medical colleges.

How to stop Falsification?

There may be many methods to prevent a problem. Here one method I propose or bring in to the notice of the readers is, Inclusion of ID in Case sheet. It may be followed by authorities or not – but certainly is for my satisfaction. It is so simple and easy. The admitted patient should be identified properly with a Voter ID card or driving license number or PAN card or any other ID card number. There may be occasions where none of these are available with patient. In such a case- let theCollegeHospitalissue an ID card with photo.

Once this “valid ID number” is included in the case sheets of IPD, most of the Falsification is stopped in Medical Colleges.

Do you have any idea to stop Falsification? Start writing . . . .

Scientist Attitude in India

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Anand Chaudhary,Ph D anandayubhu@gmail.com

Please see attached news of researches of DRDO launched with name of PERFORMAX  where only Herbal word is used in press release of PIB of Govt of India . Where as in news of chinese medicine researcher quoted –

“By applying modern techniques and rigor to a heritage provided by 5,000 years of Chinese traditional practitioners, she has delivered its riches into the 21st century.”

Please see detail of these news on under mentioned link

01) http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-09/26/content_13788970.htm

02) http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=76204

Ayurveda but not Ayurveda by DRDO Performax.docx content

Pallam Raju Launches DRDO Developed Performance Enhancing Drug for High-Altitude Areas

The Minister of State for Defence Dr M M Pallam Raju launched a composite herbal formulation named ‘Perfomax’ that has been developed by DRDO and has been found to improve physical and mental performance in High Altitude and Hypoxic Conditions at a function held in Leh, Ladakh today. The formulation is rich in antioxidants and other bioactive compounds that improve performance of brain, heart, kidney and lungs and improves blood circulation.

He also inaugurated a Conference on “Emerging Trends in Food and Health Security in Cold Deserts”, orgainsed by the Leh-based Defence Institute of High Altitude Research (DIHAR), a frontier laboratory of DRDO. Speaking on the occasion Dr. Pallam Raju called for rigorous extension activities in collaboration with the State Departments to ensure that the agro-animal technologies developed by the DRDO reach the farmers even in the remotest locations. He also lauded the DIHAR for promoting Solar Energy to provide energy security in the region.

In his address Dr William Selvamurthy, Chief Controller R&D (Life Sciences), DRDO stressed on the need for increasing the vegetable production in the cold deserts to an extent of creating a self-sustainable system with minimal dependency on the plains for fresh food and dairy products. Dr R B Srivastava, Director, DIHAR listed the initiatives taken by DIHAR to augment the agro- animal productivity in the trans-Himalayan region that has resulted in increased local production of fresh vegetables, meat, poultry and dairy products in the region. Shri Rigzin Spalbar, Chief Executive Councillor, Ladakh Autonomous Hill Development Council (LAHDC) lauded the scientists of DIHAR for their relentless efforts in educating the farmers on advanced agro-animal technologies that has resulted in increased production of vegetables in Ladakh.

Dr Pallam Raju later released a book entitled “Innovations in Agro-Animal Technologies” which is a compilation of the advanced agro-animal techniques pertaining to cold deserts. He also inaugurated a “Hall of Scientific Excellence” in DIHAR campus where all the technologies developed by DRDO will be showcased for the army and civilians.

Dr B Ravi Shankar: <gravishankar2000@yahoo.com>

I share your agony with a very heavy heart. It is the tendency of we Indians to neglect our heritage and glorify small things when it comes from west. But I am always optimistic because Ayurveda is such a robust system that it could with stand the onsalught of many  alien forces for more than 1500 years. It has the resilience and depth to spread slowly but surely. I known from my own experience of > 32 years. I never imagined Ayurveda would get so much of attention at international level and importance even in our own country when I started in 1979. It is significant to note that it has occured in spite of not receiving proper patronage and support from any body including Govt. Look  how people are getting attracted to Pkarma all  over the world. Just imagine that Dr. S.H.Acharya has  already tied up for PKarma short term course and consultancy in Venezeula and Cost Rica.

But what hurts me like you is the callous negligence of our main stream scientist and politicians. Our children are never taught any thing about Ayurveda or its concepts. Allopathy guys are not taught even iota of it though they patronize and prescribe some of our formulation more than any body else.  There should be few chapters about Ayurveda at all level starting from primary school up to 12th .

There seems to be a failure on the part of our Ayruved fraternity- why our so many Associations  not taking up this issue with the govt and other scientific associations about the importance of propagating the contribution of Ayruveda.  All our well known drugs – Aswagandha, triphala, guduchi, amlaki, trikatu, haldi, arjuna etc have proven to be wonderful with unique mechanism of actions. There is hardly any drug which is well known in Ayurveda and which has been diapproved not to have the claimed property. Now, even virechana and vamana are being recognized to have very good therapeutic potential.

One of the main contributing factor is lack of vision and farsight in our planners and administrators; the most unfortunate thing is that the policies are being formulated by non-ayruvedic persons not perceptive about the conceptual robustness and importance of Ayurveda and or ayurvedic persons ( not having any stature as ayruvedi scholars) being under the influence of  such persons. This may be for good in the long run – higher the puta better would be the quality of Bhasma- similarly greater their machinations – greater would be the growth of Ayurveda and it will be long lasting. Make every effort to bring this situation to the notice of the people through your friends in different field.

chandra katiyar ck_katiyar@yahoo.com

Regarding DRDO news item, let us learn to live with these kind of neglects but with resolve to excel in our own fields and give our best to our science which forces others to give due recognition to Ayurveda. We should learn how to ignore such neglects rather than moan and groan about them.

I wonder why Ministry of Defence has so far not given recognition to Ayurveda in its own Hospitals and system and still DRDO continues to work on herbal drugs, for whom?

Dr Selvamurthy, Chief Controller of R&D, DRDO, a great proponent and believer of Ayurveda, travelled as member of a Govt of India delegation (of which I was also a member) to London few years ago to make a presentation to Lord Walton’s Committee regarding scientific aspects of Ayurveda but even he could not convince his ministry to introduce Ayurveda in the Hospitals of the Ministry of Defence. I fail to understand how would he introduce these Ayurvedic/ Herbal products developed by DRDO in his own system.

 

 

Vaidya Balendu Prakashbalenduprakash@gmail.com

I whole heartily endorse the views expressed by Dr C K Katiyar. Until, we ayurveda professional bring some innovation ourselves for mass uses, the scientist of other branches will never ever endorse ayurveda.

One should take note from history and should not wait for our face in merely in their reference list. Give innovation from our tradition to the society and get back all rewards and acknowledgement. Chanakya Rishi has quoted that learn to eat by snatching – an inbuilt quality of a rooster:-) Keep cool and do not give undue weightage to any of such scientist.

 

 

Dinesh Katoch dckatoch@rediffmail.com

It is a serious ethical issue that leads taken from AYUSH are not acknowledged and are not even mentioned in scientific articles published by non-AYUSH researchers.   Efforts are required to lay down the condition of seeking mandatory ethical clearance for the mention of AYUSH in all research studies/publications based on AYUSH products/therapies/concepts.

Anand Chaudhary <anandayubhu@gmail.com>

Of course these points are already on discussion table with the vision and views of Prof R H Singh Sir and some other stalwarts of field from all across country.

But , now question persist that  how we can convince Indian Scientist to work like Chinese Scientists for the new innovation in their Indian  medical system i.e. Ayurveda .

First , we have to change psyche of our people and we think process is on in positive direction

sanjeev rastogirastogisanjeev@rediffmail.com

This is true that DRDO is little skeptic of using term Ayurveda although it makes a lot of experimentation with the same . Another recent example of this skepticism is seen in a press release of DRDO on 07.09.2011 in reference to their another HERBAL product for leukoderma. Interestingly , this product technology was transferred to Aimil , the well known giants of Ayurvedic drugs, the release did not mention that Ayurveda in any way is concerened with its development.   To the surprise of all of us , the formulation contains Bakuchi as one of its key ingredient which is a thoroughly researched and referenced drug of  Ayurveda recommended for its usage in leukoderma.
This is a clear cut example of violation of ethics of scientific research and writing. Using an already existing knowledge from the public domain without giving the proper credits or references to its original sources if they can be clearly traced (as in this case ) is stealing and DRDO should be discouraged and warned of this practice. I propose that Dept of Ayush should take a notice of this case and can ask for explanation from DRDO for not giving credits to Ayurveda for their so called novel product developments.
This is also important to see if any person from Ayurveda/ Unani was involved in these product developments .Ayush can force govt ofIndia to make a mandate that any research conducted on herbals should compulsorily involve some Ayush person specially if the research is funded by any of the govt agency or organization.

At the same time, when we show our discontent towards issues of neglect, we also need to think about the true contributions Ayurveda people are making to the society.A huge amount of Ayurveda is still a folklore or a home based  practice.Where and to which amount Ayurveda institutions are contributing to the national health care? What we are doing to create a real quantifiable impact upon the health care need of our own people.What are the national priority ares of health care and where Ayurveda stands in terms of offering a dependable and reproducible plans to reduce the burden of disease or health care.

A societal neglect of Ayurveda is nothing but a mirror image of our own doings. If we change our selves , the reflections are bound to be corrected.

Vaidya Balendu Prakash

You may use RTI as well

Dr.Pramod Yadav drpramod88@gmail.com

First of all, hats off to Anand Sir for generating such a healthy discussion and attracting our attention towards this type of discrimination.I would like to point out that what is effective is self evident and
doesnt needs any attention. It is universal truth. However, todays scenario is different. What is attractive is perceived and accepted more.

Further, I am very sorry to say that researches over past 60 years in Ayurveda has not bore fruitfull results. Baring a few, sporadic “miracles”, there are meagre examples to which we can realy look upto. Ayurveda has been limited to Panchakarma. What about other modalities of treatment.

Question remains same. What are the contributions of Ayurvedic fraternity to society. Mass acceptance is also dependent on state patronage. Lacunas remain in many aspects. Many people are still doing comendable job. Modulation of teaching modules and mentality, inclusion of Ayurvedic fundamentals at school level curriculum, changes in teaching pattern at PG levels (more practical approach, rather than bookish) etc. are a few points where we can really concentrate. Many youth enering BAMS are frustrated. And a frustrated mind cannot create nobel prize winning material. Innovation requires creativity and free mind. Then only we will be able to create Vaidya Scientists (Courtesy to Namyata Pathak)

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Samsodhana

Science and technologies of Samsodhana karma – Dr. K. Shiva Rama Prasad, at https://technoayurveda.wordpress.com/ [download]

Ayurveda Atyayika Chikitsa

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